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I manage a memoir workshopping group, and a new member wants a more formal content warning policy (not because of specific triggers she wants to be warned for, but because she was an instructor at small liberal arts college for a semester and felt they were very useful). A long standing member of the group who has been a professor for decades is opposed to requiring trigger warnings (she has more of a 70s liberal take on most social issues, and also has seen trigger warnings used as a way to manipulate the administration into censuring adjunct professors).

The current policy is:
Writing presented in the group may contain references to or descriptions of death, illness, abuse, unhealthy family and relationship dynamics, sexual assault, racism, sexism, or homophobia, as well as explicit sex or drug use. We do not generally use trigger or content warnings, though specific warning requests will be taken seriously.

Elsewhere in the guidelines, it says that people need to briefly introduce their work before they start reading, so there should never be a situation where a potentially triggering topic is a total surprise. But the way the topics are addressed might be more graphic in one section than another.

I am working on a project about my boyfriend's death when I was 24, and the piece I brought to the group last week included a description of a dead body, and so I warned people in an email. Everyone appreciated the warning, but none of the people who actually attended the in-person meeting wanted to change the policy (the new member who wanted the change the policy wasn't there).

We are looking for new members and I am trying to craft policies that will work for people we don't already have a good working relationship with.

None of the workshopping classes I took included content warning requirements, so I feel like I don't really know where to start.

I also feel like triggers are incredibly personal. I usually use "Creator Chose Not to Use Archive Warnings" on AO3 because almost every story I write has some fleeting reference to the character having sex when they were under 18 or some past traumatic experience.

And in my memoir writing, I'm still grappling with what to call things. Like what level of creepiness on my father's part requires a trigger warning? When I am still trying to come up with a stable way to frame my experiences for myself.

Date: 2019-03-26 12:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kara_mckay
I like the current policy with brief introduction. As you say, triggers are very personal. I used to know someone for whom country music was a very real trigger. It's not my story to tell, but I can say that it was no joke. Hearing country music was very bad news for this person. Thing is, the world's sharp edges can only be bubble wrapped to a certain point. This person had to deal with the fact that she might hear country music coming from someone's vehicle or through the open door of a bar, and she had to plan how to avoid those things to the best of her abilities. And, sometimes she couldn't, and it was bad for her when that happened. Sometimes the reality of something and its seriousness, and the degree to which the world around a person can be responsible for managing it for that person just don't match up.

To my mind, a writing workshop is, at the get-go, a potential red flag environment. A person knows going into it that they might encounter things that are distressing, and if they have a serious, devastating trigger on the level of this woman's country music trigger, they'd probably be better off staying out of it. Giving people a general heads up about the possibility of encountering the most typical triggers feels like a good plan, and asking people to introduce their individual works feels like an extra layer of safety. Beyond that, it just seems like extra layers of bubble wrapping that will be stressful for some people and still won't insure that no one will ever bump up against something distressing.

Date: 2019-03-26 04:02 pm (UTC)
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Ah, I see where you're coming from. I don't have a lot of real life experience, and none within the last five or six years with group interactions, so it's sometimes hard for me to imagine how things shake out in those settings. Online, people are a lot more likely to be confrontational and unpleasant, I think, whereas I think most people in real life don't go out of their way to make things difficult without a good reason or unless they have some heavy duty personal investment in the matter. But, you can read that opinion and those that follow as equivalent to someone saying, "As a third generation potato farmer, here's my take on the New York subway system."

I guess my concern would be how to decide whose experience or interpretation is the one that needs to be privileged and/or protected. If six people have the same experience, you'll get six different stories; thirty-six readers will come back with thirty-six at least slightly varied interpretations of them. I'm not in the camp that says they're all equal, but I slide a little closer to that than I do to the idea that there are right and wrong ways for an author to feel about and respond to their own experiences, or that the author's interpretation is the one that should always be privileged.

I can see the flipside, whereon you could have people using this take on personal validity as a way of forcing hateful or threatening attitudes on a group, and maybe even changing its composition if people feel uncomfortable enough with what those people are doing. Maybe that sort of thing would be better addressed in terms of behavior and focus expectations, though? As you've said, asking people to label their experiences can be troubling in and of itself, and that getting much more specific than a contents list can feel like a request to self-judge. One of the reasons I think people who post at Ao3 are less susceptible to self censorship (I don't say immune; I was just bitching about the homogeneity of fanfic last week) is that they're only asked to use broad, general warnings and then tag as they see fit.

Date: 2019-03-27 01:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kara_mckay
It sounds like you're really figuring this thing out! And, I think you're right on the mark with the distinction between triggers and squicks, and how they work in this setting. Having to slap a warning on part of my life experience because someone finds it icky would distress hell out of me. This might be something really good and useful to talk with your group about -- the idea that saying, "Writing about X is just nasty," or "I don't want to hear about X because it grosses me out," is the opposite of helpful, but saying, "I'm not sure that this way of describing X is getting it across in the way that you want," is constructive. And, it might not be a bad idea to talk with them about what a trigger actually is. I don't know about real life, but online it surely does seem that quite a lot of people think it's just an all-purpose word for any negative response to anything a person sees that they don't like.

Date: 2019-03-27 04:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kara_mckay
Sorry -- I kinda lost track of the "written" part of guidelines. Loss of focus and forgetfulness are features of my particular malfunction.

I think your new guidelines look good. To me, they show concerns for the individual and a safe, confidential route for individuals with triggers to follow while also providing general category warnings, requesting overviews, and stating behavior expectations. It looks like you've got it nailed down fairly well. I can see where you're coming from with wanting to use "squick," which is such a wonderful fit for some of what you're saying, but I have to agree that it's also a very fandom specific word. Shame it never caught on anywhere else.

I hope this all works out for you and your group!

Date: 2019-03-26 01:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shy_magpie
it sounds like you are already doing a functional trigger warning, a summary and a "no surprise rape/gore/violence" is actually more useful than a checklist until you hit a scale like AO3 where being able to remove hundreds of items from your list at once is possible. You are already asking for specific warning requests, aside from offering to make the requests anonymous so people don't feel like they are disclosing to the whole class I am not sure what more you can do. There always seems to be one jerk who thinks that their work's "impact" will be eliminated if you know ahead of time that they are going to have "shocking" violence/sexual assault/hard drug use but the summary policy should be enough for you to call them out on it. As to your ending question, I would say definitely warn for touching or indisputably sexual comments, but a good faith summary of what you are presenting and maybe a single "hey my father did some creepy stuff so maybe brace yourself when reading my stuff with him in it"(either at a time when you get a bunch of new members or in a referable spot?).

Date: 2019-03-26 01:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shy_magpie
trigger warnings vs censorship is the kind of philosophical problem with real world effects that I love to pick apart! let me know if I can help you brainstorm on what absolutely has to be mentioned in the summary

Date: 2019-03-27 08:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shy_magpie
I think starting by expanding how you describe what the summary should be is a good way to start. I think with the exception of the shock jerks most people will understand that in a work shop its reasonable to ask for more info than a reader would normally come in with. Your policy on trigger warnings makes it clear that you don't have a moral opposition to the idea, but that a check list is not the right way to do things in this environment. Ask that people make a good faith effort to warn for things most likely to cause problems (not sure on phrasing); then specify the most obvious and fence post from there:

As a starting point for discussion what do you think about:
"unfortunately it is all too likely that more than one person in this class will be (actively harmed? triggered? have trauma associated with) unwanted sexual contact, violence, and or hard drugs, so we would like to emphasize things in that area when deciding what to include in the summary. While its not always possible to draw a clear line, it would be better to include it in the summary needlessly than not include it when needed. It is an absolute must for scenes with on screen (unwanted sexual touch/rape/forced kissing), physical violence, injection of drugs or drug use resulting in (passing out?hallucination? not sure on what would be the trigger for most people since I usually have to tap out around slurred speach or needles existing which is probably too tame for most)"

Date: 2019-03-28 03:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shy_magpie

Sorry if I was rude, it wasn't until today I realized that was monologue rather than dialogue! I was just about to send you an apology and follow up with questions to help you think about what you wanted instead of me telling you what I thought. I got kinda over excited, in part because this sounds like a great workshop! There was a memoir class at my community college but it seemed to be aiming for Lake Woebegone stories of an idealized youth not a place where you could dig into real issues.

Date: 2019-03-28 01:34 am (UTC)
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Hoo boy, i do not envy you that complication. Balancing the fairness to the writer with the triggers of the audience is such a catch 22. Though i have confidence in your decision. You always seem so in tune and thoughtful

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